Best of Hero Nicole Kim: Yoga, Sound, & Thai Bodywork Healer

Yoga instructor, sound healer, and Thai bodywork practitioner Nicole Kim understands that life's just messy sometimes, and that messiness affects someone's ability to think clearly, embrace emotions, and stay present. 

If you’ve been feeling disconnected, stuck in stress mode, or craving an alternative way to heal, this week's Hero Highlight offers insights from previous conversations with Nicole on how somatic practices can help you become more grounded, focused, and at peace in your body.

 What You Will Learn

• [00:07:06] How to distinguish between different styles of hot yoga and choose what’s right for you.
• [00:08:07] Why regulating your energy affects everyone around you—from kids to coworkers.
• [00:09:34] Tips for starting a yoga practice safely, even if you're new or nervous.
• [00:11:03] What sound healing is, and how it supports deep nervous system regulation.
• [00:13:23] How sound baths create an altered state of calm between sleep and wakefulness.
• [00:14:11] Why in-person sound healing creates a more powerful energetic shift than digital experiences.
• [00:16:41] The health benefits of Thai bodywork for pain relief, flexibility, and relaxation.
• [00:20:48] How Thai bodywork supports impactful recovery for common sports injuries and chronic pain sufferers.
• [00:23:21] What it really means to “let go” and how non-attachment supports emotional release.
• [00:26:32] A simple self-regulation practice for processing triggers and becoming more present.

Resources Mentioned

• The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk (Book)
  
  

 Want to Hear More from Hero Nicole? Check Out These Episodes!

• Yoga and Our Path to Peak Pose
• Find Serenity through Sound Healing
• Releasing Physical and Emotional Tension with Thai Bodywork
• Learning to Be (and Feel) Present

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Chandler Stroud: Hey guys, it's Chandler and welcome to the Healing Heroes.

I'm Chandler Stroud, an executive wife and busy mom of two who after years of living with anxiety health struggles and an unshakeable feeling like I should be happier, made a profound discovery that changed everything. Join me on a journey where unexpected paths lead to healing and more happiness. On this show, we will explore [00:00:30] unconventional ways to unlock more joy in your own life.

With the help of my very own healers and trusted advisors, the healing heroes.

Hey everyone, and welcome back to the Healing Heroes Podcast. I'm your host, Chandler Stroud, and today I am thrilled to be sharing another hero highlight with you. All these episodes are specially curated episodes we're releasing [00:01:00] each week and dedicated to one of our healing heroes in honor of our first birthday this July.

So today we will be sharing our favorite moments from Conversations with Hero, Nicole Kim. And I'm really excited about this one because as many of you know, Nicole practices yoga, sound healing, and Thai body work. So there's a lot to draw from as we think about the many meaningful conversations that Nicole and I have had over the [00:01:30] last year.

But what I'll say is I think the common thread in the work Nicole does is presence, is teaching you how to be present in your body. Again, Nicole helps people reconnect with their bodies and calm their minds through practices like yoga, sound healing, and type body work. At the heart of it all, she is teaching presence.

The ability to be fully in the moment, aware of your breath, [00:02:00] your body, and your feelings without distraction or judgment. Most importantly, it's about slowing down, tuning in, and creating space to truly feel and heal. I've come to believe that yoga in particular, is one of the highest forms of self-compassion that one can engage in, and it has helped me immeasurably on my own journey to heal so much so in fact, that I now [00:02:30] start every day with a gentle 10 minute flow to create openness and expansion in my mind and in my body.

For me personally, nothing else I've experienced shifts my mood quite like yoga does, especially if I go to studio and I do a warm or hot vinyasa flow class because it's not just about the movement and the opening with your breath, but you're also sweating your warm and it just [00:03:00] feels like a complete detox of anything you were carrying when you walked through the door.

Sound healing and tie body work too have been incredibly helpful approaches for me personally. In allowing myself to find that kind of presence, to really be in the moment and take up residence in my body again, it's that permission slip. We sometimes need to just sit and be with ourselves for an hour, resting, relaxing, [00:03:30] meditating, without feeling the pull to look at our phone.

To fold that pile of laundry that's been staring you down for days. It truly is just such a sacred pause that Nicole brings to life so beautifully in our conversations together, I. In today's modern world, it's just so easy to get lost in the shuffle, the noise, and basically think about anything but the here and [00:04:00] now, which is why I've grown to so appreciate practices like sound baths, Thai body work, and especially yoga for bringing me back to myself.

For reminding me to be aware and live fully in the present moment and to appreciate it for whatever it is, without attaching judgment or those narratives that we often subconsciously attach to a lot of our experiences. Yoga just creates that [00:04:30] kind of presence that I have not been able. To achieve through other methods.

It's very different than the kind of presence I find with MFR or acupuncture, for example. And so I've really come to love all that Nicole is teaching, both me and the many women and others in our community that she serves. So with that, please enjoy the best of moments with Hero. Nicole. Kim,[00:05:00] 

can you just explain what yoga is to someone who's never done it before? 

[00:05:05] Nicole Kim: Yeah, so yoga is the yoke and the union of mindfulness. Body and breath, and so you're practicing meditation, you're practicing yoga, you're moving an asana, which is moving the body. You're practicing yoga, and I teach predominantly a vinyasa flow.

And that can be offered hot or non hot. [00:05:30] And what Vinyasa is, is linking the mind, the breath, and body through movement. It's a sequence of poses designed around a peak pose. So you're building towards something. So you're strengthening, you're increasing your flexibility to ultimately work towards a pose or to actually achieve a pose.

And my style specifically is more of a dance because that's just. My sort of. Take on it. But not every Vinyasa instructor is that [00:06:00] way, but it all is the union of breath, mindfulness and movement through poses. Thank 

[00:06:07] Chandler Stroud: you for breaking that down for us. And I personally am a huge fan of Vinyasa because I love the diversity in the poses and the movement, and I've taken both.

A Vinyasa non hot class with you. Mm-hmm. And also a Vinyasa hot, and both are different, but very rewarding experiences. To build on that, what is the difference of hot [00:06:30] yoga to the other types you just described? 

[00:06:32] Nicole Kim: So, hot yoga can be a variety of, of practices. You can practice ang in a hot room. You can practice Bikram in a hot room.

Baptist, I can go on and on and, and Vinyasa obviously is offered there. It could be yin. So you wanna look into when you're taking a class, what style of class you're going to be entering into. And there was one time when I took a class that was labeled [00:07:00] hot yoga, and I made the assumption that it would be hot vinyasa.

And I walked in and I had this. Wild experience where the instructor was yelling at me the entire, the entire time. And you know, I, I'm a seasoned yogi. I'd been practicing for over 15 years at that point, and I had never had an instructor yell at me and I just didn't even know what to do. Or it was just like funny by the end of the class.

And, and when I saw her at the end, I said, what was that? And she said, it's Bikram. And, and then that was the [00:07:30] first, in the last Bikram class that I took. But you know, people love it. It's just not my. Personal favorite. So be sure to look at the description of the class before going and, and not just make an assumption that it's hot yoga, that it would be what you're typically used to.

[00:07:48] Chandler Stroud: That practice of finding your center can be tapped into in so many other situations where you're overwhelmed, you're busy. You know, whether overwhelmed with an [00:08:00] emotion or just with the volume of things on your plate. Yeah. Finding your center is so important because I do think our kids take cues from us, 

[00:08:07] Nicole Kim: absolutely.

Our kids, but just people in general. It's energy. We release energy that can shift. You walk into a room and you feel great, and all of a sudden you feel anxious and stressed. And you look and, and there's a person in the room that is, you know, having, is having an expression of that or waiting in line and someone comes behind you who's angry.

All of a sudden you feel that. [00:08:30] So when you feel that instead of engaging with that, you can find your own center. Now, this is not me. I'm gonna breathe right now. I'm gonna envision grounding my feet into the earth. I'm maybe creating a protective barrier around me so that person can't impact me. And when you're calm.

Then all of a sudden they start to be more calm. So it's our kids, it's our coworkers, and I work with an executive and he came to me for flexibility [00:09:00] and because he, he runs marathons and I. What he's discovered is mindfulness now has been the most important thing, and he wants to focus on that because he's going to these board meetings and he's doing his mindfulness meditation before walking in, and then he's able to be clear and calm in his presentation of whatever it is that he needs to discuss in that moment.

And, and it's, it's made a huge impact in his life. So, 

[00:09:25] Chandler Stroud: and I love the stories of how you can pull this into your everyday, [00:09:30] no matter what your everyday looks like. Mm-hmm. So I really appreciate you making that connection. 

[00:09:34] Nicole Kim: Yes, COVID has provided an opportunity where these classes are accessible to anyone, anywhere.

You can simply go online and, and watch it. A YouTube video. You can take a class online with an instructor, you can join a class. So there's so many. Options out there. My suggestion before taking a studio class, if this is something that you're interested in and you [00:10:00] wanna get into it, would be to just understand the basic postures.

And, and once you understand those basic postures, so it would be a foundational class, a intro to your yoga class. Once you understand those postures, you can take any. Vinyasa class, or you can walk into most classes and feel confident in your ability. And you might not be a master at it, but it's okay.

You when the instructor will meet you where you are. I also recommend if this [00:10:30] is something that's important to you, if you have the opportunity to take a private class to work on those basic postures, and in this way you have a better understanding and. And when you explore the alignment in, in the proper alignment, and you can avoid injury.

And so it's a wise investment for yourself for your body, and for your confidence. 

[00:10:56] Chandler Stroud: Can you quickly overview what sound healing [00:11:00] is and why people practice it for wellbeing? 

[00:11:03] Nicole Kim: Okay, so sound healing. It can be done in multiple forums. It could be simply done in the way that I do in the beginning of a class, and it's just for a few minutes.

Or you can attend an actual sound bath, which is a, a longer extended experience. And so they're both. Sound healing experiences. A traditional sound bath would be about 45 minutes to an hour, and it would incorporate multiple [00:11:30] instruments. So you have crystal bowls, you have Tibetan and Himalayan bowls, you have gongs, you have chimes tuning forks.

The list goes on and on in the, in the types of tools that the practitioner is going to use. So. Whether, you know, regardless of what they, they use, the, the sound healing is there to bring you into a deeper state of relaxation. So you would typically be lying down or maybe sitting in a, in a meditation with the eyes closed and there's [00:12:00] no effort on your part outside of just being open to receive.

So closing the eyes and the breath and just listening to the music and allowing, or. The sounds and allowing them to just flow through you organically. So this is done in 45 minutes to an hour sound bath, or it can be an experience in the beginning of a yoga class with just one crystal ball. You're still reaping the benefits of a sound experience.

So if you're new to it and you're not sure how you feel about it, having a mini [00:12:30] experience would be lovely. And then if you had a pleasant experience from that. Then maybe you would wanna dive in and have or attend an actual sound bath where they would utilize various modalities and instruments.

And guide you through a journey. And it depends on the practitioner. So I use a variety of, of instruments. But some practitioners would just be using the crystal balls and that's fine. I just like the variety because they treat and stimulate different [00:13:00] things within the body. 

[00:13:01] Chandler Stroud: I wanna touch on something you said in your answer.

You equated it more to like to being a form of meditation. 

Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:09] Chandler Stroud: Would love for you to talk a little bit more about that and Yeah. How sound healing can help you access a type of meditation that maybe people aren't accustomed to accessing, or if you've never meditated before, is this a good. Gateway to learning.

[00:13:23] Nicole Kim: Absolutely. It. And, and I describe it as an altered state of consciousness. So it's [00:13:30] between the level of between the level of sleep and wakefulness. So you're kind of just traveling in and out. And sometimes people are like, oh my God, am I falling asleep? Am I, am I still in my body? Am I here? Yes, I'm here.

I'm here. I'm here. Mm-hmm. But you, you are, you find this inner calm that. Is very hard to achieve in other ways. So when you're new to this practice and you feel that calm, especially if you are in a really busy and you have a, a very stressful life, to, to achieve that level of, of [00:14:00] calm while being awake is the most incredible feeling.

[00:14:07] Chandler Stroud: Is there a right or a wrong way to heal from a sound bath? 

[00:14:11] Nicole Kim: I don't think there's really a right or. A wrong way, but what I've noticed is that the in-person experience is far more powerful than if you were to download an app or listen to a sound bath on Spotify or a Zoom situation [00:14:30] in person. Your body is just experiencing it on a different level that I have not found to be achievable through those other sources.

It's not same. See, that's really 

[00:14:41] Chandler Stroud: important to know, and 

[00:14:42] Nicole Kim: so maybe people will challenge me on that, but I don't feel the same physical sensation through the phone, through a speaker, through a computer that you would feel in a room. And [00:15:00] so when you're directly with the instruments themselves, there's a frequency and the body responds to it differently than if it were through a speaker or that that form.

And to take that a step further, what's super interesting as a sound healing practitioner is that you'll observe that your instruments will play differently depending on who's in the room. 

[00:15:24] Chandler Stroud: Stop. Yep. Really? Yep. Wait. That's crazy. [00:15:30] Yep. So what, how, sorry. Explain that to 

[00:15:33] Nicole Kim: me. It's energy and so everything that I do is intuitive.

I don't have a script. I don't go into a sound bath of this is how I'm going to play at all. I walk in. I observe the room and I feel the space, and then that determines what's about to happen because the bowls respond differently depending on the space and depending on who's there. [00:16:00] There are times when I've had sound baths and bowls that I play all the time will not play.

They will not sing. Yes. And And it is the energy within the space. And so when you think of that and you have that experience. Then you realize, wait a minute, this, this is, this is energy, this is, this is movement. And, and you can, that doesn't transfer or correlate to, you know, a playlist on the phone or an app.[00:16:30] 

It doesn't, it's nice to listen to, but you will not have the same experience as you would if you were to actually attend an in-person. Sound experience.

[00:16:41] Chandler Stroud: Nicole, I'm curious, are there specific health benefits to Thai body work that you can speak to in case people are curious? 

[00:16:48] Nicole Kim: Yeah, there's so many. So our bodies there's, there's a book called The Body that Keeps the Score And, and it's an incredible book and our bodies hold on to tension and stress. And so [00:17:00] with Thai body work you're able to move the energy and these.

Blockages and manipulate it physically. So that's a, a huge health benefit is that you might not even realize that you're carrying tension. And then through this experience you could find yourself feeling emotional and having a, maybe crying, having some sort of a release because you. Released and opened up an energy channel.

And so that, that's incredible. It's, it's helpful in just allowing [00:17:30] yourself to relax and you know, people struggle with relaxing, even when they go in for a massage. Their mind is moving. And I think that it's helpful when you're being moved that you're not caught up in your head so much because your body's moving a little bit and you're experiencing this very therapeutic.

Experience. So I find that it's more relaxing and you're able to go to a deeper space because of that. And so what I find with my clients is that they always say, oh my gosh, I had the best night's [00:18:00] sleep after that experience. Mm-hmm. So it's helpful in releasing tension. It's helpful in promoting better sleep.

And it's also helpful because. Of the deep stretch stretch and the compression that you're able to have more flexibility and more mobility. So, you know, as we get older, our muscles get tighter, our joints get tighter. It's harder to achieve the true benefits when you're doing a physical practice.

But when you're receiving the compression in the stretch and all of those things together, then [00:18:30] all of a sudden you have more mobility that you weren't even aware that you were able to achieve. 

[00:18:34] Chandler Stroud: Yeah. No, that's definitely true. I felt so limber walking out of your house that day. Yeah. I mean, I was so loose.

And I think you do get some of that from other practices mm-hmm. That we talk about on the show. But like, I think Ty Body work in particular was such a nice marriage of many of them. Right? Yeah. Because it was really, again, the yoga, the stretching, like it really was like small elements of [00:19:00] each. 

[00:19:00] Nicole Kim: Yes. 

[00:19:00] Chandler Stroud: And it just left me feeling so.

Loose, like so loose. It's different than stretching at the gym guys. Oh, it's completely different. 

[00:19:07] Nicole Kim: Completely. And the, the, the quote that I hear from almost every student that I work with or client that I work with is, I think I've grown like three inches. And so it's the lengthening. It's just that lengthening that you didn't even know that you had and you feel looser and longer and taller and all of those things.

[00:19:30] The people. That I found to have the, the biggest benefit from it are, are individuals who have chronic pain individuals who are, have limited mobility, and they're not able to truly reap the benefits of a stepped class or maybe even a yoga class because they're limited in their mobility and they experience chronic pain.

So if you're working with a Thai practitioner doing Thai body work, because it has. Elements of all of these things in one experience, [00:20:00] you can work with that person to help open the body more. So then you could go and take a yoga class or a Pilates class or whatever type of class that you wouldn't be able to achieve that level of mobility.

And in addition to that, you're able to just better enjoy your life. You have more movement. You're able to sit in your car and then drive. You're able to play golf and, and do all these things that you enjoy so much that would cause you pain And. By having this practice, you're opening the body, you're lengthening, you're stretching, you're increasing your mobility.

And [00:20:30] so it would be such an incredible compliment to you know, getting back into your life and your routine and feeling rejuvenated again. 

[00:20:36] Chandler Stroud: And I think you just got anyone who's listening that plays golf. I'm sure. So excited because, because I feel like all of the pro golfers, it's like. All about being limber, right?

So, 

[00:20:48] Nicole Kim: and it really takes a toll on your body, whether it's golf or tennis or you know, any sort of physical activity that you're passionate about, that you've been playing. It's that repetitive motion for years and years and years. And maybe it was okay when you were [00:21:00] younger and all of a sudden you're getting a little bit older and.

It's no longer okay. And so tie body work will help to promote that flexibility so that you can consistently stay up on your game and to be able to participate in these activities that you just enjoy so much. 

[00:21:15] Chandler Stroud: I love that. It's a, it's, I think, a really nice way to think about supplementing some of the other activities mm-hmm.

People might already be doing Yeah. Basketball, to your point, tennis, golf, whatever. Swimming, even swimming. Yeah. I mean, yeah, 

[00:21:29] Nicole Kim: it's, [00:21:30] it's anything that's repetitive and consistent, you have to mix it up and, and introduce different techniques and different strengthening and different movement to help compliment her remote health.

Otherwise, if you're repetitively doing stuff, you could strain the body and, and hurt yourself. 

[00:21:44] Chandler Stroud: Yeah. No, I've heard that before. So I definitely could see how this would be a tool for ensuring you stay safe and again, limber. 

[00:21:52] Nicole Kim: Yes, exactly. 

[00:21:53] Chandler Stroud: What is it about this body work practice in particular that you think is so transformational for people?

[00:21:59] Nicole Kim: That's [00:22:00] a great question. I, I think that there's so many elements to it, but. I wanna say that it's the connection and the emotional experience of, of connecting with your body in a way that I don't know if I've even been able to achieve in my own personal yoga practice. And so it's, it's that extension of having that body work done to you.

So it's restorative. You have the energy component. That helps bring you into that altered state of consciousness. You [00:22:30] have this stretching and strengthening and all of those things. So again, because it's a combination of my favorite things, that's why I think that it's so important and I just enjoy it so much.

[00:22:42] Chandler Stroud: Well, I do too now. So thank you for getting me hooked on it. Yeah, because it really is the perfect storm of all of the things I enjoy too. 

[00:22:49] Nicole Kim: It's the perfect storm. I remember a long time ago I used to. To say, I wish that there was a place that offered a, a chiropractic adjustment, massage and yoga and [00:23:00] you could just go and it's a one stop shop experience.

And then I discovered Thai yoga, which I feel are Thai, Thai body work. And I feel like it's a combination of so many things that I feel satisfied after receiving. And I've noticed that within my clients and. Students, they feel the same way. They're just blown away.

[00:23:21] Chandler Stroud: How does the process of letting go support getting present in the body? 

[00:23:26] Nicole Kim: So, you know, it's, it's interesting [00:23:30] because I've been contemplating the idea of letting go because that's something that we teach and what does it mean to really let go and it. It's, that's really hard to let go. And I don't, I think the misconception is that it's, I have this stress in my life.

Just let it go. No. Well, that, that's avoidance. Maybe that's, and, and then it's gonna go somewhere else. So we can't really, truly let it go. In order to let something go, you have to acknowledge it. And so the way that I like to [00:24:00] teach it, or, or the process that has been most effective for me is non-attachment.

So when I'm leading a Yoga Niro, which would be the perfect example, is as things come in, so you're exploring the body and we're gonna go right to our belly, right? We hold so much emotion in our belly, and so I'm gonna tell you to explore what's coming up in your belly and what does it look like, what does it feel like?

What does it smell like? Earning a night, all of your senses, what is the story that's arriving? [00:24:30] And I want you to acknowledge it. And then envision it just sort of floating away, right? So I am acknowledging that it's there. I understand, and if there's something that you proactively need to do to change it.

So maybe it's something in your home life that's not, you know, you have a partner who is causing all of this stress and it's not, I'm just gonna let that go. No, no, you, you're probably going to have to do something about that to make that change. But in this moment, I'm gonna let this energy go. I'm not going to [00:25:00] attach to it.

And as I let that move, then maybe I have the space in my mind to give me a solution of how I can handle and navigate this situation rather than attach it. I have this pain, I have this stress. This person is doing that. You know, and you're, you're caught in that monkey mind. And it's like, wait a minute, okay.

I'm acknowledging this is living within this space. I understand that now. I know. Thank you. And I'm going to let it just pass through and I'm gonna welcome in. What is it that I [00:25:30] need, and I'm gonna focus on what is it that I need. And so maybe it's, it's it's feeling peace and safe, or it's thought of what it is that I need.

You know, I'm gonna bring in. The solution to this problem, I, I need more support. I need to reach out and work with a therapist, or I, I need space from this person. Or, you know, so you're gonna come up with these solutions because you've given yourself that space. So letting go again, is broad and it's not easy.

And I think that it's more powerful [00:26:00] to dive in and feel. Observe, and then with non-attachment, let it move on so that you have the space to bring in what it is that you need.

[00:26:11] Chandler Stroud: How would you recommend people start getting present at home if they aren't ready to dive into one of the three practices we talked about today, which again, yoga, sound, healing time, massage. Are there apps or tools that they can purchase to help them explore further or other small. Ways that they can take [00:26:30] steps towards becoming more present in their own lives.

[00:26:32] Nicole Kim: I think what would be most effective towards what we've been speaking about and being present would be in the moments that you feel triggered. So the alarm goes off for you, right? And to take a moment and pause, and if you can close your eyes, close your eyes, and just feel the feet connecting to the earth.

And where, where does that energy go? Within your body? So I, an alarm just went off and I am gonna feel it in my stomach. And so maybe just taking a moment, closing your [00:27:00] eyes, feeling the feet grounding and taking your hands to your belly and just. Breathing right, so eyes are closed. Big inhale through the nose, big exhale through the nose.

Maybe you need to inhale through the mouth to really get going big. Exhale through the mouth and just take a few breaths here. Okay, so I am feeling triggered and I feel it in this location. What does that look like? What does it feel like? What does it smell like? What does it taste like? What is coming up for me?

And then how [00:27:30] can I with non-attachment, allow that to move and just breathe? And so now you're fully present and you're aware, okay, I was triggered, an alarm went out. I feel it here. I understand now it's, it's in my belly or it's in my heart. And, and I now, I'm, I'm aware. Okay. Maybe something else came up for me.

Maybe you know, a person or brought me back to memory from childhood and that starts the journey of being present. I. 

[00:27:54] Chandler Stroud: Yeah, and the non-attachment is so important. I think so often we get those feelings and we say, oh [00:28:00] no, I have to stop this. Don't feel that way. And it's, it makes it worse, right? 

[00:28:05] Nicole Kim: It makes it so much worse.

It's that avoidance and that's when we typically get busy and we. Distract ourselves with doing housework or, you know, organizing something or helping someone else. And let's just pause right now. I, I feel the need to distract myself because I'm scared of feeling what, what I'm feeling. But here's the thing, it's never gonna go away.

It's never gonna go away until you, you can just sit in that [00:28:30] discomfort for a moment and acknowledge what it is. And then once you're able to do that, then it will neutralize. And I guess that's what we're really looking for. We're not looking for letting go. We're looking for. The ability to neutralize our expression and to retrain our body so that we don't continue to go through those motions every time we're triggered by something that's bringing us back to something that happened when we're five, but we don't even have the awareness because we're too busy to even take a moment and be present.

So. That's [00:29:00] a, a simple exercise. And then to take it a step further, yeah, there are lots of meditation apps grounding and just sitting outside, you go for a walk. So even a ground walking meditation is powerful for people that are not able to sit in stillness. Take those earbuds out and I know just walk and feel the feet connecting if you're in the woods or wherever and you're sort of just looking around and noticing the birds and the flowers and, and not that as being present.

[00:29:27] Chandler Stroud: Well said, perfect way [00:29:30] to end what was such a fun and meaningful conversation. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you. I really appreciate you being here. I had so much fun chatting with you as I always do. Me too. I so appreciate everything you shared. I think all of the different approaches to healing that you practice are so important and effective, and I'm just so grateful that you're so knowledgeable and can share them with 

[00:29:57] Nicole Kim: our 

[00:29:57] Chandler Stroud: listeners.

So thank you for taking the time. 

[00:29:59] Nicole Kim: Thank you, [00:30:00] Chandler. It is, is such an honor and so much fun to be here. So thank you. 

[00:30:03] Chandler Stroud: We always have a good time, don't we? Yes. And to those tuning in, if you liked today's discussion, please share it with friends and don't forget to subscribe. You can also visit healing heroes podcast.com to get resources, meet the heroes, and share your ideas for future episodes.

Thanks for listening, everyone, and until next time, remember. Be curious, be courageous, and be kind to [00:30:30] yourself. You've got this.